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	Comments on: A Visit To Alkane Resources&#8217; Dubbo Zirconia Project Demonstration Plant	</title>
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		By: jack		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jack]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 16:49:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the nice report and information.
The direct leaching is &quot;Ordinarily one might view this as a disadvantage&quot;.  I think it is still right. The direct leaching is a disadvantage considering its low feed grade. If there mineralogy is right, the eudialyte-like mineral should be concentrated any way. We have been working on similiar type of minerals, it is not that difficult to concentrate to make the grade 5-10 times higher. The pre-concentration process is actual very simple. 
Cheers, -Jack]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the nice report and information.<br />
The direct leaching is &#8220;Ordinarily one might view this as a disadvantage&#8221;.  I think it is still right. The direct leaching is a disadvantage considering its low feed grade. If there mineralogy is right, the eudialyte-like mineral should be concentrated any way. We have been working on similiar type of minerals, it is not that difficult to concentrate to make the grade 5-10 times higher. The pre-concentration process is actual very simple.<br />
Cheers, -Jack</p>
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		By: Positroll		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Positroll]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jul 2011 20:16:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well there is e.g. Shinetsu (a Japanese co)  - http://www.rare-earth.jp/e/

&quot;Assorted rare earth products: Lanthanum (La), cerium (Ce), praseodymium (Pr), neodymium (Nd), samarium (Sm), europium (Eu), gadolinium (Gd), terbium (Tb), DYSPROSIUM (Dy), holmium (Ho), erbium (Er), thulium (Tm), ytterbium (Yb), lutetium (Lu) and scandium (Sc). http://www.rare-earth.jp/e/products/index.shtml

So they should be able to treat both Alkanes HREE s and LREEs - at least technology wise. Not sure whether their capacities are currently big enough; might require a joint venture plant with Alkane (same model as for the zirconium).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well there is e.g. Shinetsu (a Japanese co)  &#8211; <a href="http://www.rare-earth.jp/e/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.rare-earth.jp/e/</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Assorted rare earth products: Lanthanum (La), cerium (Ce), praseodymium (Pr), neodymium (Nd), samarium (Sm), europium (Eu), gadolinium (Gd), terbium (Tb), DYSPROSIUM (Dy), holmium (Ho), erbium (Er), thulium (Tm), ytterbium (Yb), lutetium (Lu) and scandium (Sc). <a href="http://www.rare-earth.jp/e/products/index.shtml" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.rare-earth.jp/e/products/index.shtml</a></p>
<p>So they should be able to treat both Alkanes HREE s and LREEs &#8211; at least technology wise. Not sure whether their capacities are currently big enough; might require a joint venture plant with Alkane (same model as for the zirconium).</p>
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		By: gatling		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jul 2011 17:01:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I always assumed that Lynas would process the 2 different rare earth mixes.  Now I am not aware of an abundance of non-chinese processors.  LCM &#038; silmet come to mind, Arafura buying the Whyalla property would be a future possability &#038; the lynas malaysian refinery.  It&#039;s also interesting that Chalmers talked of having different processors; alkane is certainly keeping their options open , esp for a company that expects to be producing in 2 years]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always assumed that Lynas would process the 2 different rare earth mixes.  Now I am not aware of an abundance of non-chinese processors.  LCM &amp; silmet come to mind, Arafura buying the Whyalla property would be a future possability &amp; the lynas malaysian refinery.  It&#8217;s also interesting that Chalmers talked of having different processors; alkane is certainly keeping their options open , esp for a company that expects to be producing in 2 years</p>
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		By: Positroll		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Positroll]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jul 2011 10:25:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I just realized I mixed up two things. The 50% figure from the Q1 report referred to % of HREE recovery from the ore.
You were referring to REO in the final concentrate.
Still, it shows they are still successfully improving the process. Hopefully, that will be true for the question of recovery from ore, too ...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just realized I mixed up two things. The 50% figure from the Q1 report referred to % of HREE recovery from the ore.<br />
You were referring to REO in the final concentrate.<br />
Still, it shows they are still successfully improving the process. Hopefully, that will be true for the question of recovery from ore, too &#8230;</p>
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		By: Roy Fultun		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roy Fultun]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jul 2011 03:32:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the brief intro into concentration and separation chemistry and flow.  This helps me begin to be conceptually grounded in the chemical and economic issues that lie in the background of REE investing.  I&#039;m indebted for your great service.  

I look forward to all further coverage you may provide.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the brief intro into concentration and separation chemistry and flow.  This helps me begin to be conceptually grounded in the chemical and economic issues that lie in the background of REE investing.  I&#8217;m indebted for your great service.  </p>
<p>I look forward to all further coverage you may provide.</p>
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		By: Positroll		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jul 2011 00:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[More on Peak Hill + gold content of the sulphide:
http://www.alkane.com.au/projects/nsw/peak-hill/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More on Peak Hill + gold content of the sulphide:<br />
<a href="http://www.alkane.com.au/projects/nsw/peak-hill/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.alkane.com.au/projects/nsw/peak-hill/</a></p>
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		By: Positroll		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jul 2011 00:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks. 
&quot;Seems to me that such a scenario would be a long way down the road.&quot;
Depends on you definition of long -considering the DZP will have a minelife of 80+ years at 1MTPA (and 500 m drilling might tripple that), i would like to think of it as &quot;mid term&quot; - 5 years from now, maybe?

re: gold mine: Peak Hill, mentioned e.g. here on page 1:  
http://www.alkane.com.au/reports/broker-media/brokers/20110602.pdf
&quot;ALK operated Peak Hill from 2002-2006 for 152koz. Sulphide resource of 467koz exists below the pit. Potential source of cheap sulphur for DZP.&quot;

&quot;the higher concentrations have recently been achieved with further testing&quot;
WOW. Wonder why they didn`t put out a NR ... that does wonders to increase profitability even further ...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks.<br />
&#8220;Seems to me that such a scenario would be a long way down the road.&#8221;<br />
Depends on you definition of long -considering the DZP will have a minelife of 80+ years at 1MTPA (and 500 m drilling might tripple that), i would like to think of it as &#8220;mid term&#8221; &#8211; 5 years from now, maybe?</p>
<p>re: gold mine: Peak Hill, mentioned e.g. here on page 1:<br />
<a href="http://www.alkane.com.au/reports/broker-media/brokers/20110602.pdf" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.alkane.com.au/reports/broker-media/brokers/20110602.pdf</a><br />
&#8220;ALK operated Peak Hill from 2002-2006 for 152koz. Sulphide resource of 467koz exists below the pit. Potential source of cheap sulphur for DZP.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;the higher concentrations have recently been achieved with further testing&#8221;<br />
WOW. Wonder why they didn`t put out a NR &#8230; that does wonders to increase profitability even further &#8230;</p>
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		By: Gareth Hatch		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gareth Hatch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jul 2011 23:02:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Dr. Mike Hirschberger - feel free to email me directly with your questions - ghatch-at-techmetalsresearch.net (change the -at- for an @ symbol).

@Gordon Clarke: a key feature of the Alkane process is that the minerals are not concentrated before processing. Ordinarily one might view this as a disadvantage, but it is not preventing Alkane from obtaining decent recovery rates AND they have the added benefit of not concentrating the naturally occurring radioactive materials (NORM) present - in fact, their process dilutes the concentration of NORM. Other companies developing these first-stage processing capabilities will probably use techniques and &quot;modules&quot; not dissimilar to those for the Alkane demo plant; but I&#039;m not sure that they can definitely do it without concentrating the NORM present, as a byproduct of maintaining decent recovery rates.

@Omneya El Hussaini: do note that the materials are roasted at the same time as being leached.

@Positroll: I did not discuss a 1.5Mtpa processing scenario (since I was unaware of it until I read that the materials at that link) with Mr. Chalmers and he did not bring it up in our conversation. Seems to me that such a scenario would be a long way down the road. Mr. Chalmers did not mention obtaining acid from &quot;an old gold mine of Alkane near by&quot;, but then, I am not interested in gold mining and the subject did not come up :-)

As for the 70-80% HREO concentrate - yes, the first round of work did yield lower concentrations, but per my conversation with Mr. Chalmers and Mr. Manis, the higher concentrations have recently been achieved with further testing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dr. Mike Hirschberger &#8211; feel free to email me directly with your questions &#8211; ghatch-at-techmetalsresearch.net (change the -at- for an @ symbol).</p>
<p>@Gordon Clarke: a key feature of the Alkane process is that the minerals are not concentrated before processing. Ordinarily one might view this as a disadvantage, but it is not preventing Alkane from obtaining decent recovery rates AND they have the added benefit of not concentrating the naturally occurring radioactive materials (NORM) present &#8211; in fact, their process dilutes the concentration of NORM. Other companies developing these first-stage processing capabilities will probably use techniques and &#8220;modules&#8221; not dissimilar to those for the Alkane demo plant; but I&#8217;m not sure that they can definitely do it without concentrating the NORM present, as a byproduct of maintaining decent recovery rates.</p>
<p>@Omneya El Hussaini: do note that the materials are roasted at the same time as being leached.</p>
<p>@Positroll: I did not discuss a 1.5Mtpa processing scenario (since I was unaware of it until I read that the materials at that link) with Mr. Chalmers and he did not bring it up in our conversation. Seems to me that such a scenario would be a long way down the road. Mr. Chalmers did not mention obtaining acid from &#8220;an old gold mine of Alkane near by&#8221;, but then, I am not interested in gold mining and the subject did not come up :-)</p>
<p>As for the 70-80% HREO concentrate &#8211; yes, the first round of work did yield lower concentrations, but per my conversation with Mr. Chalmers and Mr. Manis, the higher concentrations have recently been achieved with further testing.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jul 2011 22:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Very interesting read ...

Minor quibbles:
- I would have liked to read somethig about the 1,5 Mtpa option discussed here http://www.alkane.com.au/reports/asx/pdf/20110527.pdf (even though they won`t start with that) ...
- &quot;In terms of producing H2SO4, the key reagent for processing, Mr. Chalmers said that Alkane would produce its own on-site&quot; =&#062; one should add that we`ll get the material from an old gold mine of Alkane close by, with gold credits very likely during production
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New to me:
&quot;ANSTO has also been looking at using pulse columns instead of mixer-settlers as part of this process. These columns have been successfully used in the processing of other minerals. They don’t have distinct stages, and if shown to be effective, could result in a smaller footprint and potentially lower capital and processing costs.&quot; Now that would be very nice ...

&quot;Alkane is considering drilling a 500 m hole just to see how far down the deposit goes. &quot;
Interesting. They must be very sure about financing to seriouly consider this ... (instead of putting the money into gold / copper projects)

Important question:
&quot;The complete cycle yields a ...heavy REO concentrate that contains 70-80 wt% REOs.&quot;
I seem to remember that in a report last month or so they posted a lower number (50%?) for the Pilot Plant as opposd to the earlier lab results. But said they were working on it. Does that mean they solved that particular problem? That would be huge ...

And of course I fully agree with your conclusion ...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting read &#8230;</p>
<p>Minor quibbles:<br />
&#8211; I would have liked to read somethig about the 1,5 Mtpa option discussed here <a href="http://www.alkane.com.au/reports/asx/pdf/20110527.pdf" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.alkane.com.au/reports/asx/pdf/20110527.pdf</a> (even though they won`t start with that) &#8230;<br />
&#8211; &#8220;In terms of producing H2SO4, the key reagent for processing, Mr. Chalmers said that Alkane would produce its own on-site&#8221; =&gt; one should add that we`ll get the material from an old gold mine of Alkane close by, with gold credits very likely during production<br />
&#8211;</p>
<p>New to me:<br />
&#8220;ANSTO has also been looking at using pulse columns instead of mixer-settlers as part of this process. These columns have been successfully used in the processing of other minerals. They don’t have distinct stages, and if shown to be effective, could result in a smaller footprint and potentially lower capital and processing costs.&#8221; Now that would be very nice &#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;Alkane is considering drilling a 500 m hole just to see how far down the deposit goes. &#8221;<br />
Interesting. They must be very sure about financing to seriouly consider this &#8230; (instead of putting the money into gold / copper projects)</p>
<p>Important question:<br />
&#8220;The complete cycle yields a &#8230;heavy REO concentrate that contains 70-80 wt% REOs.&#8221;<br />
I seem to remember that in a report last month or so they posted a lower number (50%?) for the Pilot Plant as opposd to the earlier lab results. But said they were working on it. Does that mean they solved that particular problem? That would be huge &#8230;</p>
<p>And of course I fully agree with your conclusion &#8230;</p>
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		By: Omneya El Hussaini		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jul 2011 20:42:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[how does hydrre conditioochloric acid leach zirconium first, I think this need severe condition]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>how does hydrre conditioochloric acid leach zirconium first, I think this need severe condition</p>
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