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	Comments on: Comparative Value Metrics For 13 Advanced Rare-Earth Projects	</title>
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	<description>Commentary &#38; analysis on rare earths and other technology metals</description>
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		By: Online GED		</title>
		<link>https://www.techmetalsresearch.net/comparative-value-metrics-for-13-advanced-rare-earth-projects/#comment-998</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Feb 2011 06:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Very informative.  This is an alternative to a GED online.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very informative.  This is an alternative to a GED online.</p>
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		By: Neale Monte		</title>
		<link>https://www.techmetalsresearch.net/comparative-value-metrics-for-13-advanced-rare-earth-projects/#comment-774</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Neale Monte]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Dec 2010 00:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Great article and helps in my &quot;just beginning&quot; research into the world of Rare Earth Oxides. Are there any Chinese companies specializing in Rare Earths that are publicly traded on any American Exchanges?
Thanks in advance.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article and helps in my &#8220;just beginning&#8221; research into the world of Rare Earth Oxides. Are there any Chinese companies specializing in Rare Earths that are publicly traded on any American Exchanges?<br />
Thanks in advance.</p>
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		By: Don Ellwood		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Don Ellwood]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Nov 2010 00:49:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Gareth,

Thanks for responding. I still haven&#039;t managed to explain myself very well. I&#039;m not talking about technical chart analyses (which I have very limited faith in). I&#039;m just talking about the difficulty (at least for me) of taking companies widely different share structures into account when trying to evaluate fundamental analyses such as the one that started this thread. Company A may have a project that has fundamental qualities that are twice as good as Company B&#039;s project, but if Company A has 10 times the number of shares outstanding as B, it would seem the fundamental advantage has been rendered meaningless. The REE sector in particular seems to have widely varying share structures, from Lynas&#039; 1.6 billion shares outstanding to juniors with 50 million shares or less.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gareth,</p>
<p>Thanks for responding. I still haven&#8217;t managed to explain myself very well. I&#8217;m not talking about technical chart analyses (which I have very limited faith in). I&#8217;m just talking about the difficulty (at least for me) of taking companies widely different share structures into account when trying to evaluate fundamental analyses such as the one that started this thread. Company A may have a project that has fundamental qualities that are twice as good as Company B&#8217;s project, but if Company A has 10 times the number of shares outstanding as B, it would seem the fundamental advantage has been rendered meaningless. The REE sector in particular seems to have widely varying share structures, from Lynas&#8217; 1.6 billion shares outstanding to juniors with 50 million shares or less.</p>
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		By: Kyle M		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kyle M]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Nov 2010 19:19:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Gareth,

In relation to your above comment regarding technichal analysis, would just like to say that whilst I do use TA for larger companies, I do not think it can be accurately applied to small-cap junior miners.

However, I think technical analysis can sometimes be useful at looking at short-term patterns, for example looking at moving averages for an entry price

I think that share prices in the junior REEs are shaped by newsflow, and the inferred value in their projects (which, as you say, can be somewhat deduced) by the metrics above. I say &#039;decuded&#039; in the previous sentence as I feel that the junior miners are very open to speculation at this stage - indeed I have read more than once in the last month that REEs are in  a bubble- and the share prices of the individual companies are being affected by general market sentiment. 

In fact I think it is very hard to value any of these companies at this stage, other than to say most are still quite speculative, as there are so many variables: Will China change there export quotas; how long will it actually take to bring these mines on-line; what will be the effect on the supply and demand dynamic when companies begin producing?

Just like to take the opportunity to say that it is a nice community on here, I like the intelligent debates and the chance to speak with experts like Gareth and Jack - thanks for taking the time to reply 

Cheers,
Kyle]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gareth,</p>
<p>In relation to your above comment regarding technichal analysis, would just like to say that whilst I do use TA for larger companies, I do not think it can be accurately applied to small-cap junior miners.</p>
<p>However, I think technical analysis can sometimes be useful at looking at short-term patterns, for example looking at moving averages for an entry price</p>
<p>I think that share prices in the junior REEs are shaped by newsflow, and the inferred value in their projects (which, as you say, can be somewhat deduced) by the metrics above. I say &#8216;decuded&#8217; in the previous sentence as I feel that the junior miners are very open to speculation at this stage &#8211; indeed I have read more than once in the last month that REEs are in  a bubble- and the share prices of the individual companies are being affected by general market sentiment. </p>
<p>In fact I think it is very hard to value any of these companies at this stage, other than to say most are still quite speculative, as there are so many variables: Will China change there export quotas; how long will it actually take to bring these mines on-line; what will be the effect on the supply and demand dynamic when companies begin producing?</p>
<p>Just like to take the opportunity to say that it is a nice community on here, I like the intelligent debates and the chance to speak with experts like Gareth and Jack &#8211; thanks for taking the time to reply </p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Kyle</p>
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		By: Gareth Hatch		</title>
		<link>https://www.techmetalsresearch.net/comparative-value-metrics-for-13-advanced-rare-earth-projects/#comment-724</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gareth Hatch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Nov 2010 20:52:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Don: thanks for the additional remarks.

The issue that you raise here perhaps pertains to the schools of thought among stock analysts concerning fundamental vs. technical analysis. Although I am not a stock analyst, I have never really bought into the argument of technical stock chart analysts that a company&#039;s stock price captures all of the important details of a particular company, and that the price of a stock reflects those details - thus &quot;allowing&quot; analysts to use such charts and accompanying concepts such as &quot;support&quot; and &quot;resistance&quot; and so on, as the sole means of determining value and future stock behavior. If you subscribe to this school of thought, then it is unlikely that the metrics I described above, are of going to be much use to you. They are aimed at folks wanting to go the fundamentals route.

These metrics are just some of the many facets of the fundamentals of the particular projects mentioned, and the companies that are operating them. I see them as helping to inform observers on the issues of consistency and risk for a given project, and to rate accordingly. I&#039;m talking in the sense of comparing what a company says about a project, to the &quot;reality&quot; of a given project in terms of objective public-domain descriptors. When combined with all of the other public-domain metrics out there (including those that account for the costs and likelihood of technical / metallurgical success), they can also help observers get a sense of which projects are more likely to succeed than others.

One might hope that market cap (and value per share) would reflect the &quot;assigned&quot; value and risk of a company&#039;s portfolio of company, but in this sector especially, analysts and commentators are quick to point out that the general competence of the management team, and the share structure of the company they are managing, are also big factors, and I would agree with them.

Metrics such as those above are independent of these latter two factors, and can be helpful, I think, in trying determine the overall potential value of a project (and thus the risk / reward profile) without a company&#039;s PR fluff , before then going on to look at management and share structure.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don: thanks for the additional remarks.</p>
<p>The issue that you raise here perhaps pertains to the schools of thought among stock analysts concerning fundamental vs. technical analysis. Although I am not a stock analyst, I have never really bought into the argument of technical stock chart analysts that a company&#8217;s stock price captures all of the important details of a particular company, and that the price of a stock reflects those details &#8211; thus &#8220;allowing&#8221; analysts to use such charts and accompanying concepts such as &#8220;support&#8221; and &#8220;resistance&#8221; and so on, as the sole means of determining value and future stock behavior. If you subscribe to this school of thought, then it is unlikely that the metrics I described above, are of going to be much use to you. They are aimed at folks wanting to go the fundamentals route.</p>
<p>These metrics are just some of the many facets of the fundamentals of the particular projects mentioned, and the companies that are operating them. I see them as helping to inform observers on the issues of consistency and risk for a given project, and to rate accordingly. I&#8217;m talking in the sense of comparing what a company says about a project, to the &#8220;reality&#8221; of a given project in terms of objective public-domain descriptors. When combined with all of the other public-domain metrics out there (including those that account for the costs and likelihood of technical / metallurgical success), they can also help observers get a sense of which projects are more likely to succeed than others.</p>
<p>One might hope that market cap (and value per share) would reflect the &#8220;assigned&#8221; value and risk of a company&#8217;s portfolio of company, but in this sector especially, analysts and commentators are quick to point out that the general competence of the management team, and the share structure of the company they are managing, are also big factors, and I would agree with them.</p>
<p>Metrics such as those above are independent of these latter two factors, and can be helpful, I think, in trying determine the overall potential value of a project (and thus the risk / reward profile) without a company&#8217;s PR fluff , before then going on to look at management and share structure.</p>
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		By: Don Ellwood		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Don Ellwood]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Nov 2010 21:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My earlier question was pretty muddled. Here is another try. As an investor I would like some method to view the technical merits of various projects (as in your above study) in combination with the market caps of the companies behind the projects. Knowing that a particular project is &quot;better&quot; than another project based on some particular technical metric is interesting, but I still need a method to gauge whether the market (as measured by the current market cap of the company) has already taken this value difference into account (or perhaps overestimated it). The bottom line is that I am an investor with enough knowledge to realize that your technical approaches are probably very useful, but I don&#039;t know ebough to be able to use them effectively. Any help would be appreciated.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My earlier question was pretty muddled. Here is another try. As an investor I would like some method to view the technical merits of various projects (as in your above study) in combination with the market caps of the companies behind the projects. Knowing that a particular project is &#8220;better&#8221; than another project based on some particular technical metric is interesting, but I still need a method to gauge whether the market (as measured by the current market cap of the company) has already taken this value difference into account (or perhaps overestimated it). The bottom line is that I am an investor with enough knowledge to realize that your technical approaches are probably very useful, but I don&#8217;t know ebough to be able to use them effectively. Any help would be appreciated.</p>
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		By: Gareth Hatch		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gareth Hatch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Nov 2010 14:17:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Henk: I did see your earlier excellent summary of the EVS25 event. I&#039;m always interested to learn more about this subject. In the meantime - check out something new, relating to electric vehicles, that we&#039;re working on at TMR - http://www.evinsights.com - might be of interest to you.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Henk: I did see your earlier excellent summary of the EVS25 event. I&#8217;m always interested to learn more about this subject. In the meantime &#8211; check out something new, relating to electric vehicles, that we&#8217;re working on at TMR &#8211; <a href="http://www.evinsights.com" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.evinsights.com</a> &#8211; might be of interest to you.</p>
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		By: Henk Mol		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Henk Mol]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Nov 2010 09:57:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hello Gareth
Thanks for answering so personally. I was by the way on the EVS25 conference a week ago, and the subject of material scarcity was not debated very much but I had the feeling it was ignored rather than taken seriously. If your&#039;e interested I can give some more findings of that event. Best regards Henk]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Gareth<br />
Thanks for answering so personally. I was by the way on the EVS25 conference a week ago, and the subject of material scarcity was not debated very much but I had the feeling it was ignored rather than taken seriously. If your&#8217;e interested I can give some more findings of that event. Best regards Henk</p>
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		By: Gareth Hatch		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gareth Hatch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Nov 2010 21:48:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Henk: yes indeed - Silmet is a small but important player in this sector. As I understand it they process materials from the Lovozero deposit in the Kola peninsula, and possibly elsewhere in the former Soviet Union. Clint Cox did a really nice write up on Silmet which you might consider checking out

http://www.theanchorsite.com/2010/08/05/are-rare-earths-being-produced-outside-of-china/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Henk: yes indeed &#8211; Silmet is a small but important player in this sector. As I understand it they process materials from the Lovozero deposit in the Kola peninsula, and possibly elsewhere in the former Soviet Union. Clint Cox did a really nice write up on Silmet which you might consider checking out</p>
<p><a href="http://www.theanchorsite.com/2010/08/05/are-rare-earths-being-produced-outside-of-china/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.theanchorsite.com/2010/08/05/are-rare-earths-being-produced-outside-of-china/</a></p>
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		By: Henk Mol		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Henk Mol]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Nov 2010 21:17:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Gareth, mining is one thing, separating and refining is another part. I recently learned about Silmet (http://www.silmet.ee/default.aspx?m1=48&#038;m2=51&#038;id=27&#038;lang=1) producing 3000 metric tons of rare earth metals, I. So, not all refining is in China. But, where do they get there input material from? From scrap or by-products in other mining?
Regards Henk]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gareth, mining is one thing, separating and refining is another part. I recently learned about Silmet (<a href="http://www.silmet.ee/default.aspx?m1=48&#038;m2=51&#038;id=27&#038;lang=1" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.silmet.ee/default.aspx?m1=48&#038;m2=51&#038;id=27&#038;lang=1</a>) producing 3000 metric tons of rare earth metals, I. So, not all refining is in China. But, where do they get there input material from? From scrap or by-products in other mining?<br />
Regards Henk</p>
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