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		By: Gareth Hatch		</title>
		<link>https://www.techmetalsresearch.net/introducing-the-tmr-advanced-rare-earth-projects-index/#comment-917</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gareth Hatch]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[@David: As stated on the new page for the Index ( at http://www.barnswood.com/tmr/wp/metrics-indices/tmr-advanced-rare-earth-projects-index/ ), the &quot;First Production&quot; dates are the estimates published by the companies themselves - no more, no less. We are simply reporting what those self-stated time estimates are. They of course assume a whole bunch of things besides just getting the metallurgy right, including the ability to raise the capital to build their facilities, to get permits, to deal with radioactive byproducts and to (presumably) complete their operations in such a manner as to make a profit.

We need to be really careful whenever we use the term &quot;proven ore body&quot; in the context of a mineral deposit. It implies that a) enough work has been done to define a Measured Mineral Resource for a given project and that b) at least part of that Measured Mineral Resource has been demonstrated to be economically mineable. While there is apparently a significant amount of historical data associated with Kutessay II, at this time I am not aware of any data in the public domain (at least to 43-101, JORC Code or similar standards) that defines any type of Mineral Resource for Kutessay II (Inferred, Indicated or Measured), let alone an Ore Reserve (either Probable or Proved) per JORC, or a Mineral Reserve (Probable or Proven) per 43-101.

Stans Energy is in the process of finishing up a Mineral Resource estimate that will be compliant to the Australian JORC Code, but that&#039;s not the same thing as having a &quot;proven ore body&quot;. It&#039;s the first step along the way to eventually having a defined Ore Reserve (per JORC) or its equivalent.

As for having &quot;the difficult metallurgy solved&quot;, again, there is apparently substantial historical data and process flow sheets for the previously used set up for the minerals at Kutessay II; however, I have seen nothing in the public domain that sheds light on the economics of those historical processes. Being able to do the separations economically is at least as important as being able to do them technically. This is by no means a knock on Kutessay II; I&#039;m simply pointing out the lack of data points, whose existence or otherwise is important in evaluating Kutessay II just as it is for any other project.

Finally, regarding the projected production date for Kutessay II; I am not aware of any official target date for production in documents either on the Stans Energy Web site, or lodged with the Canadian Securities Administrators&#039; SEDAR system. I am aware that Stans Energy&#039;s CEO, Mr. Mackay has been reported as saying that production could get under way by late 2012, but in more recent private correspondence with the company I was told (and I&#039;m paraphrasing here) that a definite date would not be forthcoming for some time. This is why we&#039;re using &quot;N/A&quot; in that column.

That said - if you can point to an official public domain document that does indicate a start date, I&#039;ll be happy to take a look and to adjust our table accordingly.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@David: As stated on the new page for the Index ( at <a href="http://www.barnswood.com/tmr/wp/metrics-indices/tmr-advanced-rare-earth-projects-index/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.barnswood.com/tmr/wp/metrics-indices/tmr-advanced-rare-earth-projects-index/</a> ), the &#8220;First Production&#8221; dates are the estimates published by the companies themselves &#8211; no more, no less. We are simply reporting what those self-stated time estimates are. They of course assume a whole bunch of things besides just getting the metallurgy right, including the ability to raise the capital to build their facilities, to get permits, to deal with radioactive byproducts and to (presumably) complete their operations in such a manner as to make a profit.</p>
<p>We need to be really careful whenever we use the term &#8220;proven ore body&#8221; in the context of a mineral deposit. It implies that a) enough work has been done to define a Measured Mineral Resource for a given project and that b) at least part of that Measured Mineral Resource has been demonstrated to be economically mineable. While there is apparently a significant amount of historical data associated with Kutessay II, at this time I am not aware of any data in the public domain (at least to 43-101, JORC Code or similar standards) that defines any type of Mineral Resource for Kutessay II (Inferred, Indicated or Measured), let alone an Ore Reserve (either Probable or Proved) per JORC, or a Mineral Reserve (Probable or Proven) per 43-101.</p>
<p>Stans Energy is in the process of finishing up a Mineral Resource estimate that will be compliant to the Australian JORC Code, but that&#8217;s not the same thing as having a &#8220;proven ore body&#8221;. It&#8217;s the first step along the way to eventually having a defined Ore Reserve (per JORC) or its equivalent.</p>
<p>As for having &#8220;the difficult metallurgy solved&#8221;, again, there is apparently substantial historical data and process flow sheets for the previously used set up for the minerals at Kutessay II; however, I have seen nothing in the public domain that sheds light on the economics of those historical processes. Being able to do the separations economically is at least as important as being able to do them technically. This is by no means a knock on Kutessay II; I&#8217;m simply pointing out the lack of data points, whose existence or otherwise is important in evaluating Kutessay II just as it is for any other project.</p>
<p>Finally, regarding the projected production date for Kutessay II; I am not aware of any official target date for production in documents either on the Stans Energy Web site, or lodged with the Canadian Securities Administrators&#8217; SEDAR system. I am aware that Stans Energy&#8217;s CEO, Mr. Mackay has been reported as saying that production could get under way by late 2012, but in more recent private correspondence with the company I was told (and I&#8217;m paraphrasing here) that a definite date would not be forthcoming for some time. This is why we&#8217;re using &#8220;N/A&#8221; in that column.</p>
<p>That said &#8211; if you can point to an official public domain document that does indicate a start date, I&#8217;ll be happy to take a look and to adjust our table accordingly.</p>
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		By: David Lowe		</title>
		<link>https://www.techmetalsresearch.net/introducing-the-tmr-advanced-rare-earth-projects-index/#comment-915</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Lowe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jan 2011 01:35:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Gareth,
How can you the list you just put up show those very aggressive production dates when these companies have not figured out the metallurgy of their deposits?

My understanding is that before you can convert the raw ore into &quot;production&quot;, you must solve the extremely complicated metallurgy, which can take years. And before that can happen, the ore needs to be mined. Some of these companies don&#039;t even yet have a PEA let alone a Prefeasibility Study or a Full Feasibility Study.

Based on the research I&#039;ve done, Stans Energy Corp is the only company with a proven ore body that actually already has the difficult metallurgy solved.   In addition, most of these companies haven&#039;t even yet built the processing plants necessary to produce, other than Stans Energy. And yet you have &quot;N/A&quot; in their projected production date when the company has already stated their projected date is 2012.

What am I missing?
David]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gareth,<br />
How can you the list you just put up show those very aggressive production dates when these companies have not figured out the metallurgy of their deposits?</p>
<p>My understanding is that before you can convert the raw ore into &#8220;production&#8221;, you must solve the extremely complicated metallurgy, which can take years. And before that can happen, the ore needs to be mined. Some of these companies don&#8217;t even yet have a PEA let alone a Prefeasibility Study or a Full Feasibility Study.</p>
<p>Based on the research I&#8217;ve done, Stans Energy Corp is the only company with a proven ore body that actually already has the difficult metallurgy solved.   In addition, most of these companies haven&#8217;t even yet built the processing plants necessary to produce, other than Stans Energy. And yet you have &#8220;N/A&#8221; in their projected production date when the company has already stated their projected date is 2012.</p>
<p>What am I missing?<br />
David</p>
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		By: Gareth Hatch		</title>
		<link>https://www.techmetalsresearch.net/introducing-the-tmr-advanced-rare-earth-projects-index/#comment-911</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gareth Hatch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jan 2011 06:28:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[FYI folks, the Index has a new permanent home at:

http://www.barnswood.com/tmr/wp/tmr-advanced-rare-earth-projects-index/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FYI folks, the Index has a new permanent home at:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.barnswood.com/tmr/wp/tmr-advanced-rare-earth-projects-index/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.barnswood.com/tmr/wp/tmr-advanced-rare-earth-projects-index/</a></p>
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		By: Gareth Hatch		</title>
		<link>https://www.techmetalsresearch.net/introducing-the-tmr-advanced-rare-earth-projects-index/#comment-908</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gareth Hatch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jan 2011 00:22:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@GH: I have just invited members of the Greenland Minerals &#038; Energy management team to respond to the comments here. Whether they do or not is obviously their prerogative.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@GH: I have just invited members of the Greenland Minerals &amp; Energy management team to respond to the comments here. Whether they do or not is obviously their prerogative.</p>
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		By: GH		</title>
		<link>https://www.techmetalsresearch.net/introducing-the-tmr-advanced-rare-earth-projects-index/#comment-906</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[GH]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jan 2011 00:12:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Having read the 9-Sep-2010 clarifying statement of the Greenland government (&quot;Naalakkersuisut&quot;) here:
    http://uk.nanoq.gl/Emner/News/News_from_Government/2010/09/Uran_no_tolerant.aspx
it is perfectly clear.  The key sentences are:

&quot;Naalakkersuisut hopes to bring about more knowledge about the health and safety issues regarding radioactive elements in occurrences where the actual goal is other metals than the radioactive ones. [...] The addition to the rules explicitly states that a licence to complete such environmental impact assessments etc. does not give right to a licence to explore for or exploit radioactive elements.&quot;

It seems to me that the announcement by GMEL simply starts off with a textbook example of wishful thinking (at best) or intentional misrepresentation (at worst).  Here&#039;s the first line:  &quot;GMEL is pleased to announce that it has received approval by the government of Greenland to fully evaluate the Kvanefjeld multi-element project (rare earths, uranium, zinc), inclusive of radioactive elements (uranium).&quot;

[Disclosure:  I have no positions in companies associated with any Greenland projects, nor do I intend to open any in the foreseeable future.]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having read the 9-Sep-2010 clarifying statement of the Greenland government (&#8220;Naalakkersuisut&#8221;) here:<br />
    <a href="http://uk.nanoq.gl/Emner/News/News_from_Government/2010/09/Uran_no_tolerant.aspx" rel="nofollow ugc">http://uk.nanoq.gl/Emner/News/News_from_Government/2010/09/Uran_no_tolerant.aspx</a><br />
it is perfectly clear.  The key sentences are:</p>
<p>&#8220;Naalakkersuisut hopes to bring about more knowledge about the health and safety issues regarding radioactive elements in occurrences where the actual goal is other metals than the radioactive ones. [&#8230;] The addition to the rules explicitly states that a licence to complete such environmental impact assessments etc. does not give right to a licence to explore for or exploit radioactive elements.&#8221;</p>
<p>It seems to me that the announcement by GMEL simply starts off with a textbook example of wishful thinking (at best) or intentional misrepresentation (at worst).  Here&#8217;s the first line:  &#8220;GMEL is pleased to announce that it has received approval by the government of Greenland to fully evaluate the Kvanefjeld multi-element project (rare earths, uranium, zinc), inclusive of radioactive elements (uranium).&#8221;</p>
<p>[Disclosure:  I have no positions in companies associated with any Greenland projects, nor do I intend to open any in the foreseeable future.]</p>
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		By: Gareth Hatch		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gareth Hatch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jan 2011 00:11:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@John: although Medallion has apparently done exploratory work on its Red Wine and Eden Lake properties, to my knowledge it has not yet published a 43-101-compliant mineral resource estimate for either property.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@John: although Medallion has apparently done exploratory work on its Red Wine and Eden Lake properties, to my knowledge it has not yet published a 43-101-compliant mineral resource estimate for either property.</p>
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		By: John Hall		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Hall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jan 2011 23:59:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Gareth,

Thanks for your work on the Index - it&#039;s a great resource for generalists like myself.

I was under the impression that Medallion Resources had a proven resource estimate. Is that not the case?

Thanks again and best regards,

John]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gareth,</p>
<p>Thanks for your work on the Index &#8211; it&#8217;s a great resource for generalists like myself.</p>
<p>I was under the impression that Medallion Resources had a proven resource estimate. Is that not the case?</p>
<p>Thanks again and best regards,</p>
<p>John</p>
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		By: Gareth Hatch		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gareth Hatch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jan 2011 14:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@blackjack: there is no report to download at this time. We&#039;ll shortly have a new Web page containing the information described above.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@blackjack: there is no report to download at this time. We&#8217;ll shortly have a new Web page containing the information described above.</p>
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		By: blackjack		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[blackjack]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jan 2011 12:23:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[i dont know if i am stupid or what
but i dont see any link for your report
all i see is a list of companies and their URL
please advise where the report is
thanks]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i dont know if i am stupid or what<br />
but i dont see any link for your report<br />
all i see is a list of companies and their URL<br />
please advise where the report is<br />
thanks</p>
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		By: Gareth Hatch		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gareth Hatch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jan 2011 03:25:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Jim: your description of &quot;how things work&quot; sounds a little like the one a well-known industry analyst recently shared with me too. He was a lot more cynical in that he felt that some companies get started without ever really intending to properly develop the project such that it could be handed off - all the while burning through OPM (other peoples&#039; money)... I know - &quot;shock horror&quot;, right?! :-) But of course this doesn&#039;t apply to every company, and what you&#039;ve described is a legitimate approach.  People sticking to what they&#039;re good at, and then handing off a project when it makes sense to do so. As you say, it can work very well.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jim: your description of &#8220;how things work&#8221; sounds a little like the one a well-known industry analyst recently shared with me too. He was a lot more cynical in that he felt that some companies get started without ever really intending to properly develop the project such that it could be handed off &#8211; all the while burning through OPM (other peoples&#8217; money)&#8230; I know &#8211; &#8220;shock horror&#8221;, right?! :-) But of course this doesn&#8217;t apply to every company, and what you&#8217;ve described is a legitimate approach.  People sticking to what they&#8217;re good at, and then handing off a project when it makes sense to do so. As you say, it can work very well.</p>
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