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		By: Volkhart		</title>
		<link>https://www.techmetalsresearch.net/setting-the-record-straight/#comment-217</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 18:17:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Bob M March 22, 2010 at 11:10 am 
Kingsnorth has charts with well over 100,000 supply from China for 2010, but Bloomberg has an article which puts the 2010 production in China of rare earths as officially capped at 89,200.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601089&#038;sid=aMbYZBSp.0og

Here is a translation of the Chinese press release: ” Rare-earth ore (rare earth oxides REO) extraction quota of total control of 89.2 thousand tons, of which 77,000 tons of light rare earth, the heavy rare-earth 12.2 thousand tons.”

Anyone have any ideas about the discrepancy?

One of my Australian friends within the REE-business answered Your question:

D Kingsnotrh is supposed to include the illegal production numbers which the government might deny to do.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob M March 22, 2010 at 11:10 am<br />
Kingsnorth has charts with well over 100,000 supply from China for 2010, but Bloomberg has an article which puts the 2010 production in China of rare earths as officially capped at 89,200.<br />
<a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601089&#038;sid=aMbYZBSp.0og" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601089&#038;sid=aMbYZBSp.0og</a></p>
<p>Here is a translation of the Chinese press release: ” Rare-earth ore (rare earth oxides REO) extraction quota of total control of 89.2 thousand tons, of which 77,000 tons of light rare earth, the heavy rare-earth 12.2 thousand tons.”</p>
<p>Anyone have any ideas about the discrepancy?</p>
<p>One of my Australian friends within the REE-business answered Your question:</p>
<p>D Kingsnotrh is supposed to include the illegal production numbers which the government might deny to do.</p>
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		By: Bob M		</title>
		<link>https://www.techmetalsresearch.net/setting-the-record-straight/#comment-216</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 15:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Kingsnorth has charts with well over 100,000 supply from China for 2010, but Bloomberg has an article which puts the 2010 production in China of rare earths as officially capped at 89,200. 
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601089&#038;sid=aMbYZBSp.0og

Here is a translation of the Chinese press release: &quot; Rare-earth ore (rare earth oxides REO) extraction quota of total control of 89.2 thousand tons, of which 77,000 tons of light rare earth, the heavy rare-earth 12.2 thousand tons.&quot;

Anyone have any ideas about the discrepancy?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kingsnorth has charts with well over 100,000 supply from China for 2010, but Bloomberg has an article which puts the 2010 production in China of rare earths as officially capped at 89,200.<br />
<a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601089&#038;sid=aMbYZBSp.0og" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601089&#038;sid=aMbYZBSp.0og</a></p>
<p>Here is a translation of the Chinese press release: &#8221; Rare-earth ore (rare earth oxides REO) extraction quota of total control of 89.2 thousand tons, of which 77,000 tons of light rare earth, the heavy rare-earth 12.2 thousand tons.&#8221;</p>
<p>Anyone have any ideas about the discrepancy?</p>
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		By: Dennis Carlton Rossi		</title>
		<link>https://www.techmetalsresearch.net/setting-the-record-straight/#comment-215</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Mar 2010 19:46:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dear Mr.Lifton:

I call on the Canadian government to establish a strategic reserve of precious metals comprised of the PGM&#039;s and HREE&#039;s.  One-half of the reserve would be PGM&#039;s and the other half would include HREE&#039;s. 

If these commodities are purchased from Canadian companies operating in Canada then it would create tens of thousands of jobs. It would also protect Canada&#039;s future in the manufacturing industry in the areas of green technology, information technology and defence technology which are dependent on these commodities.  

Also, I call on the government to toughen legislation on the takeover of Canadian firms who have interests in REE and HREE. No foreign firm should be allowed a majority interest in any of these companies. This is in the national interests of Canada.    

Yours,

Dennis Carlton Rossi]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mr.Lifton:</p>
<p>I call on the Canadian government to establish a strategic reserve of precious metals comprised of the PGM&#8217;s and HREE&#8217;s.  One-half of the reserve would be PGM&#8217;s and the other half would include HREE&#8217;s. </p>
<p>If these commodities are purchased from Canadian companies operating in Canada then it would create tens of thousands of jobs. It would also protect Canada&#8217;s future in the manufacturing industry in the areas of green technology, information technology and defence technology which are dependent on these commodities.  </p>
<p>Also, I call on the government to toughen legislation on the takeover of Canadian firms who have interests in REE and HREE. No foreign firm should be allowed a majority interest in any of these companies. This is in the national interests of Canada.    </p>
<p>Yours,</p>
<p>Dennis Carlton Rossi</p>
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		By: Volkhart		</title>
		<link>https://www.techmetalsresearch.net/setting-the-record-straight/#comment-214</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Mar 2010 13:07:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi Jack,

do You think it&#039;s possible to switch from TREE- to single REE-forecasts regarding demand/supply-matters? How would You pledge thinking of Neodymium and/or Gadolinium for instance?
Did You and others consider the application of special alloys(including REE) with giant magnetic caloric effect for all kinds of cooling/heating matters (i.e. electric vehicles with a &quot;cold&quot; power train!)?

Your answer is very much appreciated
Volkhart]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jack,</p>
<p>do You think it&#8217;s possible to switch from TREE- to single REE-forecasts regarding demand/supply-matters? How would You pledge thinking of Neodymium and/or Gadolinium for instance?<br />
Did You and others consider the application of special alloys(including REE) with giant magnetic caloric effect for all kinds of cooling/heating matters (i.e. electric vehicles with a &#8220;cold&#8221; power train!)?</p>
<p>Your answer is very much appreciated<br />
Volkhart</p>
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		By: geoff alford		</title>
		<link>https://www.techmetalsresearch.net/setting-the-record-straight/#comment-213</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Mar 2010 07:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I could not resist an example  of REEs and composites together

JX-03 Rare Earth Compound Stabilizer

JX-03 is Rare earth compound stabilizer contains lubricant, which is applicable for non-conventional PVC materials. The product has excellent performance of inside and outside lubricating balance, processing and low separation. The product contains compound antioxygen and proper rare earth, which have obvious effect on increasing weather fastness of non-conventional PVC and the strength of fillet weld.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could not resist an example  of REEs and composites together</p>
<p>JX-03 Rare Earth Compound Stabilizer</p>
<p>JX-03 is Rare earth compound stabilizer contains lubricant, which is applicable for non-conventional PVC materials. The product has excellent performance of inside and outside lubricating balance, processing and low separation. The product contains compound antioxygen and proper rare earth, which have obvious effect on increasing weather fastness of non-conventional PVC and the strength of fillet weld.</p>
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		By: geoff alford		</title>
		<link>https://www.techmetalsresearch.net/setting-the-record-straight/#comment-212</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Mar 2010 07:19:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have to confess to a professional relationship with Jack Lifton in case of perceived bias. 

In my view, it is all very well looking at demand-supply trend charts for technology metals, but one should also consider changes in other fundamentals.

Composite or technology materials are changing thinking about engineering materials and revolutionizing engineering applications. Composites have a high strength to weight ratio. So you might NOT  need X kilos of an REE to power a hybrid car or wind turbine, if its composite percentage is increased in the car body or wind structure.. 

This may affect future forecasts of demand  per manufactured unit, except there may be many more cars and wind turbines in China and India.

Recycling will definitely have to be in the equation in these cases. Which reminds me that the Australian government still has no recycling policy for analogue TVs, despite analogue turn-off to occur within 3 years! One only hopes that counties treasure REEs more.

Like the stock market, trend charts can be useful, so long as fundamentals don&#039;t change!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to confess to a professional relationship with Jack Lifton in case of perceived bias. </p>
<p>In my view, it is all very well looking at demand-supply trend charts for technology metals, but one should also consider changes in other fundamentals.</p>
<p>Composite or technology materials are changing thinking about engineering materials and revolutionizing engineering applications. Composites have a high strength to weight ratio. So you might NOT  need X kilos of an REE to power a hybrid car or wind turbine, if its composite percentage is increased in the car body or wind structure.. </p>
<p>This may affect future forecasts of demand  per manufactured unit, except there may be many more cars and wind turbines in China and India.</p>
<p>Recycling will definitely have to be in the equation in these cases. Which reminds me that the Australian government still has no recycling policy for analogue TVs, despite analogue turn-off to occur within 3 years! One only hopes that counties treasure REEs more.</p>
<p>Like the stock market, trend charts can be useful, so long as fundamentals don&#8217;t change!</p>
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		By: Andrew		</title>
		<link>https://www.techmetalsresearch.net/setting-the-record-straight/#comment-211</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 23:28:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I wonder why we are even talking about REE as a whole and not the individual elements, ie. dysprosium, terbium, etc?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder why we are even talking about REE as a whole and not the individual elements, ie. dysprosium, terbium, etc?</p>
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		By: William Traster		</title>
		<link>https://www.techmetalsresearch.net/setting-the-record-straight/#comment-210</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[William Traster]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 22:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So we have a situation here where (hard to obtain) charts are updated to show that China has plenty of supply of REEs, then we learn that the updated charts are likely flawed, to where the original charts may be closer to being correct, until the next round of charts come out, that may have China supply of REEs less than the original chart.

No wonder there is confusion!

(Please don&#039;t ask me to rewrite the above, because I&#039;m not really sure I could.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So we have a situation here where (hard to obtain) charts are updated to show that China has plenty of supply of REEs, then we learn that the updated charts are likely flawed, to where the original charts may be closer to being correct, until the next round of charts come out, that may have China supply of REEs less than the original chart.</p>
<p>No wonder there is confusion!</p>
<p>(Please don&#8217;t ask me to rewrite the above, because I&#8217;m not really sure I could.)</p>
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		By: Stan Bruns		</title>
		<link>https://www.techmetalsresearch.net/setting-the-record-straight/#comment-209</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 22:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the update, as always.  Speaking solely for myself and as an interested observer and investor, I find it very difficult to believe the pronouncements of governments concerning statistics, particularly those cases where the numbers affect cherished national agendas.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the update, as always.  Speaking solely for myself and as an interested observer and investor, I find it very difficult to believe the pronouncements of governments concerning statistics, particularly those cases where the numbers affect cherished national agendas.</p>
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		By: John Petersen		</title>
		<link>https://www.techmetalsresearch.net/setting-the-record-straight/#comment-208</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 21:54:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[All of us in the blogosphere have encountered similar problems of relying on the best information we could find only to hear after the fact that more recent data was different. In those cases the best we can do is take reasonable steps to correct the oversight; but we can&#039;t even do that until the person who is complaining about the error provides the more current information. Something tells me the request you got was not phrased in terms of &quot;it looks like you were using my old data, so let me send you the most recent data that leads to another conclusion.&quot;

I personally think there&#039;s a good deal more mea-culpa in this correction than is warranted.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All of us in the blogosphere have encountered similar problems of relying on the best information we could find only to hear after the fact that more recent data was different. In those cases the best we can do is take reasonable steps to correct the oversight; but we can&#8217;t even do that until the person who is complaining about the error provides the more current information. Something tells me the request you got was not phrased in terms of &#8220;it looks like you were using my old data, so let me send you the most recent data that leads to another conclusion.&#8221;</p>
<p>I personally think there&#8217;s a good deal more mea-culpa in this correction than is warranted.</p>
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