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	Comments on: The Chinese Yuan, Rare Earths And The Selection Of Critical Mining Projects	</title>
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		By: ellwodo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jan 2011 21:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A very astute article. I was leaning in the heavy REEs direction before, and you have given a superb theoretical framework  for the reasons to do so. I am really looking forward to seeing your &quot;own selections&quot;. Theory is interesting, but as an nvestor I am even more interested in the application of a good theory.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very astute article. I was leaning in the heavy REEs direction before, and you have given a superb theoretical framework  for the reasons to do so. I am really looking forward to seeing your &#8220;own selections&#8221;. Theory is interesting, but as an nvestor I am even more interested in the application of a good theory.</p>
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		By: Optionsgirl		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jan 2011 17:12:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Jack, it seems to me your article argues for an investment in RMB as well as REES.
OG]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jack, it seems to me your article argues for an investment in RMB as well as REES.<br />
OG</p>
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		By: Jack Lifton		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jack Lifton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jan 2011 02:11:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.techmetalsresearch.net/the-chinese-yuan-rare-earths-and-the-selection-of-critical-mining-projec/#comment-904&quot;&gt;Aat Oskam&lt;/a&gt;.

Aat,

Some quick thoughts:

Thank you for making me think about this. You&#039;re right. I just saw today the same figures for GDP that you must have seen showing the Eurozone GDP being slightly larger than that of the USA. Although the Eurozone&#039;s population is 50% larger than that of the USA, so that its GDP/capita is 1/3 less than that of the USA both are still towering over that of China on a GDP/capita basis.

I think that the world financial markets believe that the Euro is not yet politically stable enough to be &quot;the&quot; reserve currency. However I think that the Chinese by taking their recent actions in the Spanish market, for example, are telegraphing to the financial community that they are betting on the continuing existence and ultimate staying power of the Euro.

I also think that we may well going towards a world of three &quot;reserve&quot; currencies, the US dollar, the Euro, and the Yuan.  This would continue until the GDP of China, per capita, is closer to that of Europe or the USA at which point the Chinese GDP, in gross, will be multiples of that of Europe or the USA. Sometime in that period the yuan would become the world&#039;s reserve currency but only if it is then freely convertible.

Note well that China is now the world&#039;s monopoly producer of rare earths and that China only sells rare earths, or anything else , for Yuan, the exchange rate for which it sets unilaterally. Thus for all intents and purposes the rare earth market is, &lt;em&gt;de facto&lt;/em&gt;,  denominated in Chinese yuan. The big question is will China take action to continue this situation when and if there is  significant production of rare earths outside of China or outside of its economic control. China will dominate rare earth production by volume into the indefinite future, and it will always price its rare earths in yuan. I firmly believe that China will also always be the largest demand market for rare earths, so that if the day comes that it cannot meet that demand domestically and it then must buy in the world market then that day will be the first day that the market price of a rare earth in a currency other than the yuan matters.

China fears inflation more than anything else, and commodity price inflation in particular, and so long as its domestic economy is self suffcient in rare earths it will not allow internal rare earth prices to soar uncontrollably. This is one reason why China is cracking down on illegal mining and export; it knows that high prices for rare earths outside of China will tempt Chinese prodcuers to export as much as they can. 

There is a good chance that China is restructuring its domestic rare earths market to increase production, so that it either can or threaten to increase exports and thus maintain its control of the rare earths as a yuan denominated commodity. This would eliminate outside pressure to increase the internal prices of the rare earths. 

Thanks again for making me think,

Jack Lifton]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.techmetalsresearch.net/the-chinese-yuan-rare-earths-and-the-selection-of-critical-mining-projec/#comment-904">Aat Oskam</a>.</p>
<p>Aat,</p>
<p>Some quick thoughts:</p>
<p>Thank you for making me think about this. You&#8217;re right. I just saw today the same figures for GDP that you must have seen showing the Eurozone GDP being slightly larger than that of the USA. Although the Eurozone&#8217;s population is 50% larger than that of the USA, so that its GDP/capita is 1/3 less than that of the USA both are still towering over that of China on a GDP/capita basis.</p>
<p>I think that the world financial markets believe that the Euro is not yet politically stable enough to be &#8220;the&#8221; reserve currency. However I think that the Chinese by taking their recent actions in the Spanish market, for example, are telegraphing to the financial community that they are betting on the continuing existence and ultimate staying power of the Euro.</p>
<p>I also think that we may well going towards a world of three &#8220;reserve&#8221; currencies, the US dollar, the Euro, and the Yuan.  This would continue until the GDP of China, per capita, is closer to that of Europe or the USA at which point the Chinese GDP, in gross, will be multiples of that of Europe or the USA. Sometime in that period the yuan would become the world&#8217;s reserve currency but only if it is then freely convertible.</p>
<p>Note well that China is now the world&#8217;s monopoly producer of rare earths and that China only sells rare earths, or anything else , for Yuan, the exchange rate for which it sets unilaterally. Thus for all intents and purposes the rare earth market is, <em>de facto</em>,  denominated in Chinese yuan. The big question is will China take action to continue this situation when and if there is  significant production of rare earths outside of China or outside of its economic control. China will dominate rare earth production by volume into the indefinite future, and it will always price its rare earths in yuan. I firmly believe that China will also always be the largest demand market for rare earths, so that if the day comes that it cannot meet that demand domestically and it then must buy in the world market then that day will be the first day that the market price of a rare earth in a currency other than the yuan matters.</p>
<p>China fears inflation more than anything else, and commodity price inflation in particular, and so long as its domestic economy is self suffcient in rare earths it will not allow internal rare earth prices to soar uncontrollably. This is one reason why China is cracking down on illegal mining and export; it knows that high prices for rare earths outside of China will tempt Chinese prodcuers to export as much as they can. </p>
<p>There is a good chance that China is restructuring its domestic rare earths market to increase production, so that it either can or threaten to increase exports and thus maintain its control of the rare earths as a yuan denominated commodity. This would eliminate outside pressure to increase the internal prices of the rare earths. </p>
<p>Thanks again for making me think,</p>
<p>Jack Lifton</p>
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		By: Aat Oskam		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jan 2011 22:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Jack, as always, an article to be proud of!

But aren&#039;t you leaving out the Eurozone too quickly? The figures show that the Eurozone has a bigger GDP than the US. Even China (and Russia) have their own reasons to suggest to use the Euro in stead of the (US)Dollar as the world standard.

Your thoughts please?

Greetings from Holland, Aat]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jack, as always, an article to be proud of!</p>
<p>But aren&#8217;t you leaving out the Eurozone too quickly? The figures show that the Eurozone has a bigger GDP than the US. Even China (and Russia) have their own reasons to suggest to use the Euro in stead of the (US)Dollar as the world standard.</p>
<p>Your thoughts please?</p>
<p>Greetings from Holland, Aat</p>
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		By: fran		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jan 2011 02:53:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[your message does not change.  will the gnomes in OECD capitals hear; the tokyo gurus have yet to respond.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>your message does not change.  will the gnomes in OECD capitals hear; the tokyo gurus have yet to respond.</p>
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		By: overpar		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jan 2011 21:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Very nice article Jack, you really gave  me/us a lot to think about. I for one appreciate the time and effort you put into your work which you so freely share.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very nice article Jack, you really gave  me/us a lot to think about. I for one appreciate the time and effort you put into your work which you so freely share.</p>
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		By: MichaelN		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jan 2011 21:47:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wonder what you see for possibilities to manufacture (i.e. via nanotechnology) replacements for rare metals. 

Enjoy your commentary!
Michael]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonder what you see for possibilities to manufacture (i.e. via nanotechnology) replacements for rare metals. </p>
<p>Enjoy your commentary!<br />
Michael</p>
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		By: Gordoh Clarke		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gordoh Clarke]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jan 2011 21:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Can&#039;t Steenkampskraal(GWMG) efficiently store their thorium in cement and offer their storage capacity to other regional REE mines?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t Steenkampskraal(GWMG) efficiently store their thorium in cement and offer their storage capacity to other regional REE mines?</p>
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		By: Nicholas Matwiyoff		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jan 2011 21:43:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Jack: Thanks for more food for thought. A number of questions have been raised by your essay and the comments on it thus far. The following comments may be helpful in addressing some of them. 
Thorium and Uranium impurities can present an enormous problem in the mining, cracking, and concentrating the ore for the separation processes which, in turn, can result in a proliferation of thousands of tonnes of solvents contaminated during the separation of the individual rare earths. Those interested should: consult the history of the shut-down of the Mountain Pass operation some years ago; the public relations experiences of Arafura in Australia; and the experiences of Lynas with its nascent RE &quot;refinery&quot; in Malaysia. 
The saleable&quot; by-products&quot; question has been addressed successfully by Australian RE companies Arafura and Alkane. There are many mineable multi-metallic (no joke intended) RE deposits in Australia. Indeed Alkanes Dubbo Zirconium Project was initially valued for its namesake (See also Northern Uranium).
Stans Energy, I feel, is highly undervalued for its well researched and documented HREE deposits and it should be in production (existing infrastructure and shared experience with, and consultation by, the former Russian owners). A good, balanced basket of REE investments, in my view, would be AU:LYC,AU:ALK, AU:ARU, and CA:RUU.
I think Australia, under leadership of LYC, ALK,ARU and ANSTO has the problem of the problem of the separation of the individual rare earths pretty well in hand, including the design and operation of pilot plants. The latter is a must, a situation that the Canadians and the USA has not yet really come to grips with. 
TIME! Cheers]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jack: Thanks for more food for thought. A number of questions have been raised by your essay and the comments on it thus far. The following comments may be helpful in addressing some of them.<br />
Thorium and Uranium impurities can present an enormous problem in the mining, cracking, and concentrating the ore for the separation processes which, in turn, can result in a proliferation of thousands of tonnes of solvents contaminated during the separation of the individual rare earths. Those interested should: consult the history of the shut-down of the Mountain Pass operation some years ago; the public relations experiences of Arafura in Australia; and the experiences of Lynas with its nascent RE &#8220;refinery&#8221; in Malaysia.<br />
The saleable&#8221; by-products&#8221; question has been addressed successfully by Australian RE companies Arafura and Alkane. There are many mineable multi-metallic (no joke intended) RE deposits in Australia. Indeed Alkanes Dubbo Zirconium Project was initially valued for its namesake (See also Northern Uranium).<br />
Stans Energy, I feel, is highly undervalued for its well researched and documented HREE deposits and it should be in production (existing infrastructure and shared experience with, and consultation by, the former Russian owners). A good, balanced basket of REE investments, in my view, would be AU:LYC,AU:ALK, AU:ARU, and CA:RUU.<br />
I think Australia, under leadership of LYC, ALK,ARU and ANSTO has the problem of the problem of the separation of the individual rare earths pretty well in hand, including the design and operation of pilot plants. The latter is a must, a situation that the Canadians and the USA has not yet really come to grips with.<br />
TIME! Cheers</p>
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		By: Ruediger Haberland		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jan 2011 20:13:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Excellent analysis of some flaring problems of todays world economy.
These are the results of the dogma of &quot;free trade is best for everyone&quot;.
(no dogma seems to be true and a good basis for rational decisions, nor this if one side determines the value of currency by the market and the other one by politics.)
Maybe the artificial Yuan/$ course may be counteracted by a new tax that is calculated by the ratio of salaries of any two trading nations and their unbalance in import/export.
Concerning the growing use of magnets:
Some manufacturers have the option to switch back to ferrites or AlNiCo magnets - all those that do not fight with weight limitations as generators for wind-turbines. Also copper for conductors  can be switched to aluminum in these.
This may slow down a bit but not really limit the race for higher prices.
Afteror parallel to the run to establish new mines there will be a run to develop better extraction and purification technologies.
Not at all clear to me (please comment if anybody knows): will the byproducts of uranium decay put a heavy burden on those manufacturers that process ore with a significant content of uranium or thorium? And: if so then at which level starts this critical content?
RHABE]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent analysis of some flaring problems of todays world economy.<br />
These are the results of the dogma of &#8220;free trade is best for everyone&#8221;.<br />
(no dogma seems to be true and a good basis for rational decisions, nor this if one side determines the value of currency by the market and the other one by politics.)<br />
Maybe the artificial Yuan/$ course may be counteracted by a new tax that is calculated by the ratio of salaries of any two trading nations and their unbalance in import/export.<br />
Concerning the growing use of magnets:<br />
Some manufacturers have the option to switch back to ferrites or AlNiCo magnets &#8211; all those that do not fight with weight limitations as generators for wind-turbines. Also copper for conductors  can be switched to aluminum in these.<br />
This may slow down a bit but not really limit the race for higher prices.<br />
Afteror parallel to the run to establish new mines there will be a run to develop better extraction and purification technologies.<br />
Not at all clear to me (please comment if anybody knows): will the byproducts of uranium decay put a heavy burden on those manufacturers that process ore with a significant content of uranium or thorium? And: if so then at which level starts this critical content?<br />
RHABE</p>
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