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		By: Stéphane Maroni		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stéphane Maroni]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2012 15:21:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Is there a clear distribution between LRE and M/HRE offered by Chinese authorities ?
Thanks, Stéphane]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there a clear distribution between LRE and M/HRE offered by Chinese authorities ?<br />
Thanks, Stéphane</p>
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		By: Mike Niehuser		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Niehuser]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Feb 2012 20:50:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sort of off topic but recently a lot of press about China doubling quotas, is there anything to this?  Thanks as always.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sort of off topic but recently a lot of press about China doubling quotas, is there anything to this?  Thanks as always.</p>
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		By: Veritas Bob		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Veritas Bob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2012 18:19:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Comments?  Will rare earth export quotas now be relaxed?
&quot;China loses appeal in WTO export restrictions case&quot;
http://www.moneycontrol.com/news/wire-news/china-loses-appealwto-export-restrictions-case_659374.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comments?  Will rare earth export quotas now be relaxed?<br />
&#8220;China loses appeal in WTO export restrictions case&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.moneycontrol.com/news/wire-news/china-loses-appealwto-export-restrictions-case_659374.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.moneycontrol.com/news/wire-news/china-loses-appealwto-export-restrictions-case_659374.html</a></p>
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		By: charlie		</title>
		<link>https://www.techmetalsresearch.net/the-first-round-of-chinese-rare-earth-export-quota-allocations-for-2012/#comment-2627</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[charlie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2012 14:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Gareth,
thanks for your reply. i was confusing these materials as being a possible smuggling issue due to the underlying implications that was suggested in the articles, thanks for the clarification.
but with this new understanding some questions i would like to pose however is that along with the articles i posted and several other that i&#039;ve read going back to earlier last year, there is a constant drumbeat of China restricting these alloys that contain Rare Earths and imposing a quota system for these materials also.
do you foresee this as a possiblity?
and if so what would be the implications for the end users of these alloys, and the effect that supply constraints of these materials would have on the overall Rare Earth market?
is there any other supply stream for these alloys outside of China?
and if not would this not mean that China still holds most all the REE cards even with the other Rare Earths producers coming online such as Molycorp, Lynas and others?

thanks,
chalie]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gareth,<br />
thanks for your reply. i was confusing these materials as being a possible smuggling issue due to the underlying implications that was suggested in the articles, thanks for the clarification.<br />
but with this new understanding some questions i would like to pose however is that along with the articles i posted and several other that i&#8217;ve read going back to earlier last year, there is a constant drumbeat of China restricting these alloys that contain Rare Earths and imposing a quota system for these materials also.<br />
do you foresee this as a possiblity?<br />
and if so what would be the implications for the end users of these alloys, and the effect that supply constraints of these materials would have on the overall Rare Earth market?<br />
is there any other supply stream for these alloys outside of China?<br />
and if not would this not mean that China still holds most all the REE cards even with the other Rare Earths producers coming online such as Molycorp, Lynas and others?</p>
<p>thanks,<br />
chalie</p>
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		By: Gareth Hatch		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gareth Hatch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2012 15:53:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Alberto: yttrium is widely considered to be a critical metal, and has numerous important applications. Scandium has the potential for a number of end uses, but is produced in such low quantities that I don&#039;t see it being of any significance in the immediate future.

@charlie: the export of alloys and other rare-earth-based compounds has taken place for years. There is really nothing new in those articles, and I find it a little strange that the implication is that companies making the ribbons / melt-spun materials, used for permanent magnets, are somehow trying to circumvent the system. The same goes with strip-cast alloys that Japanese companies have produced in China, for use in their permanent magnets.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Alberto: yttrium is widely considered to be a critical metal, and has numerous important applications. Scandium has the potential for a number of end uses, but is produced in such low quantities that I don&#8217;t see it being of any significance in the immediate future.</p>
<p>@charlie: the export of alloys and other rare-earth-based compounds has taken place for years. There is really nothing new in those articles, and I find it a little strange that the implication is that companies making the ribbons / melt-spun materials, used for permanent magnets, are somehow trying to circumvent the system. The same goes with strip-cast alloys that Japanese companies have produced in China, for use in their permanent magnets.</p>
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		By: charlie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[charlie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2012 15:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Gareth,
i&#039;ve ran across a couple of interesting articles pertaining to the REE Quotas in China and would like your take on the subject of how these Rare Earth Ribbons affect supply of REE&#039;s 

http://www.menafn.com/qn_news_story.asp?storyid=%7B8ca5cc1c-a58c-4e4a-9d7d-4a995174f43f%7D&#038;src=main

http://www.wantchinatimes.com/news-subclass-cnt.aspx?cid=1102&#038;MainCatID=11&#038;id=20120116000010

thanks,
charlie]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gareth,<br />
i&#8217;ve ran across a couple of interesting articles pertaining to the REE Quotas in China and would like your take on the subject of how these Rare Earth Ribbons affect supply of REE&#8217;s </p>
<p><a href="http://www.menafn.com/qn_news_story.asp?storyid=%7B8ca5cc1c-a58c-4e4a-9d7d-4a995174f43f%7D&#038;src=main" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.menafn.com/qn_news_story.asp?storyid=%7B8ca5cc1c-a58c-4e4a-9d7d-4a995174f43f%7D&#038;src=main</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.wantchinatimes.com/news-subclass-cnt.aspx?cid=1102&#038;MainCatID=11&#038;id=20120116000010" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.wantchinatimes.com/news-subclass-cnt.aspx?cid=1102&#038;MainCatID=11&#038;id=20120116000010</a></p>
<p>thanks,<br />
charlie</p>
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		By: Alberto		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2012 11:23:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dear Gareth
Thank you for your excellent and very useful studies
I am owner of mining license in Mozambique with large areas of NYF pegmatites with a strong mineralization in Ti, Sc-ixiolite (Sc203&#062; 9%); Ilmenorutilo (Sc), xenotime, fergusonite-Y; Zircon (Fe), columbite / Fersmite ; Cheralite (Ce, La, Nd), monazite, etc..

I would like to know, in general, what is the economic / strategic, importance of the peripheral elements of the Periodic Table, SC, Y.
Thank you,
Best regards,
Alberto]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Gareth<br />
Thank you for your excellent and very useful studies<br />
I am owner of mining license in Mozambique with large areas of NYF pegmatites with a strong mineralization in Ti, Sc-ixiolite (Sc203&gt; 9%); Ilmenorutilo (Sc), xenotime, fergusonite-Y; Zircon (Fe), columbite / Fersmite ; Cheralite (Ce, La, Nd), monazite, etc..</p>
<p>I would like to know, in general, what is the economic / strategic, importance of the peripheral elements of the Periodic Table, SC, Y.<br />
Thank you,<br />
Best regards,<br />
Alberto</p>
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		By: Alex		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jan 2012 15:50:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yes, LREE will fall till chinese domestick price + export Tax (15%) + LREE quota cost
But one more effect will occur in this new system
Chinese HREE quota holders will want to export Dy, Eu, and Tb because of maximum prices, so price of quota of HREE will calculate them as incom which they can get from export of Dy, Tb, Eu.
So such materials as Gd, Y, Sm, Er will increasing in price because chinese HREE quota cost will add to their domestick price + export Tax.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, LREE will fall till chinese domestick price + export Tax (15%) + LREE quota cost<br />
But one more effect will occur in this new system<br />
Chinese HREE quota holders will want to export Dy, Eu, and Tb because of maximum prices, so price of quota of HREE will calculate them as incom which they can get from export of Dy, Tb, Eu.<br />
So such materials as Gd, Y, Sm, Er will increasing in price because chinese HREE quota cost will add to their domestick price + export Tax.</p>
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		By: Gareth Hatch		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gareth Hatch]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Sebastian: quotas were allocated on the basis of previous revenues and volumes in recent years. In previous years, companies have traded quota allocations but whether they&#039;ll be able to do that going forward, is not entirely clear.

@Roger: neither the official export statistics nor the quota allocations really take into account the volume of exports that take place unofficially / illegally. Some estimated put this additional &quot;channel&quot; for these materials at 10-15 ktpa.

@G H: I&#039;ve said for some time that a comprehensive effort to curb pollution and to otherwise control environmental issues in this industry, will require reductions in overall production quotas, not export quotas. Presumably the recent division into confirmed and provisional allocations of quota is meant as a carrot from the commercial point of view, since exports have recently commanded higher prices. But I would agree that the effects here are going to be very short lived.

@fran: Is there really an impact? Something else that I&#039;ve said before is that I believe that the only effect that the export quotas have had on exports is on the price of the material being exported. If you are an end user in Japan, Germany or wherever, you can get material, of any kind. It won&#039;t necessarily come via officially sanctioned channels, and it might not have been mined recently, but I see no evidence of real supply constraints for these materials.

@Andy: there is significant evidence of substantial demand destruction in 2011 as a result of the elevated export prices. The story of rare-earth exports is really the story of lanthanum and cerium exports. We saw successful efforts by a number of end users to move away from usage of these materials.

As for halting production - there are likely to still be significant inventories of these materials warehoused in China and elsewhere. I therefore see little chance that any halt in production would lead to reduced exports of finished goods.

Within a year, we should have two new major sources of light rare earths on-stream. When that happens, any export quotas still being imposed by China for light rare earths, will have decreasing relevance to the supply chain.

@John: I&#039;ve not seen any recent announcements on either rare-earth mining or production quotas.

@Mike Niehuser: I don&#039;t think the rare-earth sector is any different to other commodities - as prices went up, demand decreased, especially for the light rare earths. Also, you have to look at quota allocations on a year-on-year basis - not comparing, for example H1 2011 with H2 2010. That&#039;s not how the system works - allocations are made at the beginning of a given year, with &quot;top ups&quot; in the second half of the year; those first half quota allocations still pertain to the whole year. I don&#039;t see high prices coming later in 2012, especially not for light rare earths.

As for HREE quotas compared to prior years - the quotas were not broken out that way before, so it&#039;s not possible to do the comparison. You might see some clues in the way the production quotas have previously been allocated, since those have previously been allocated on a L / HREE basis.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Sebastian: quotas were allocated on the basis of previous revenues and volumes in recent years. In previous years, companies have traded quota allocations but whether they&#8217;ll be able to do that going forward, is not entirely clear.</p>
<p>@Roger: neither the official export statistics nor the quota allocations really take into account the volume of exports that take place unofficially / illegally. Some estimated put this additional &#8220;channel&#8221; for these materials at 10-15 ktpa.</p>
<p>@G H: I&#8217;ve said for some time that a comprehensive effort to curb pollution and to otherwise control environmental issues in this industry, will require reductions in overall production quotas, not export quotas. Presumably the recent division into confirmed and provisional allocations of quota is meant as a carrot from the commercial point of view, since exports have recently commanded higher prices. But I would agree that the effects here are going to be very short lived.</p>
<p>@fran: Is there really an impact? Something else that I&#8217;ve said before is that I believe that the only effect that the export quotas have had on exports is on the price of the material being exported. If you are an end user in Japan, Germany or wherever, you can get material, of any kind. It won&#8217;t necessarily come via officially sanctioned channels, and it might not have been mined recently, but I see no evidence of real supply constraints for these materials.</p>
<p>@Andy: there is significant evidence of substantial demand destruction in 2011 as a result of the elevated export prices. The story of rare-earth exports is really the story of lanthanum and cerium exports. We saw successful efforts by a number of end users to move away from usage of these materials.</p>
<p>As for halting production &#8211; there are likely to still be significant inventories of these materials warehoused in China and elsewhere. I therefore see little chance that any halt in production would lead to reduced exports of finished goods.</p>
<p>Within a year, we should have two new major sources of light rare earths on-stream. When that happens, any export quotas still being imposed by China for light rare earths, will have decreasing relevance to the supply chain.</p>
<p>@John: I&#8217;ve not seen any recent announcements on either rare-earth mining or production quotas.</p>
<p>@Mike Niehuser: I don&#8217;t think the rare-earth sector is any different to other commodities &#8211; as prices went up, demand decreased, especially for the light rare earths. Also, you have to look at quota allocations on a year-on-year basis &#8211; not comparing, for example H1 2011 with H2 2010. That&#8217;s not how the system works &#8211; allocations are made at the beginning of a given year, with &#8220;top ups&#8221; in the second half of the year; those first half quota allocations still pertain to the whole year. I don&#8217;t see high prices coming later in 2012, especially not for light rare earths.</p>
<p>As for HREE quotas compared to prior years &#8211; the quotas were not broken out that way before, so it&#8217;s not possible to do the comparison. You might see some clues in the way the production quotas have previously been allocated, since those have previously been allocated on a L / HREE basis.</p>
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		By: Mike Niehuser		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Gareth, thank you for the detail and answering questions, two more for you if possible.
1. Is there any connection with the rise in REE prices wtih the reduction in quotas in the 2H of 2010, and the recent deline with the relative increase in quotas in 2011 relative to the 2H of 2010?
(would this imply higher prices later in 2012?)
2. Do you have any opinion on 1H 2011 quota&#039;s for HREE relative to prior semsters, increasing, decreasing or unchanged?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gareth, thank you for the detail and answering questions, two more for you if possible.<br />
1. Is there any connection with the rise in REE prices wtih the reduction in quotas in the 2H of 2010, and the recent deline with the relative increase in quotas in 2011 relative to the 2H of 2010?<br />
(would this imply higher prices later in 2012?)<br />
2. Do you have any opinion on 1H 2011 quota&#8217;s for HREE relative to prior semsters, increasing, decreasing or unchanged?</p>
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